So, Cary did not advise you to break the law?
We were telling stories, that's all. Stories that had no basis in truth? Look, all we were saying is that if people did the stuff that they saw in the movies, we'd all be in jail. And Cary was saying what would be good advice for those people. That's all. The people in the movies? -Mm-hmm. Like-- if the guy in the movie did this or that, then he wouldn't get caught. -Exactly. We weren't talking about anything real. We're not that stupid. So you can all substantiate that Cary was speaking in hypotheticals only? -That's right. Hypotheticals only. The one with the silver teeth. - Jim Lenard. He'll make a good witness-he's likable. So is Trey. Trey was the one wearing the wire. You said you didn't know who was wearing the wire. -I didn't, until today. His voice was the loudest on the tape-- microphone was on him. It's Trey. Didn't you say that he's Bishop's top man? - Yeah. And we can't tell Bishop, or he'll have him killed.